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OMG. People were actually writing "would of" 47 years ago?!?  [snow_sick]

Looks like DC or whoever wrote in his script did - and apparently he/she considered it correct speech as well to use it in the sheriff's Scene 66 dialogue...

Actually, nothing that appears as part of the March 25th rewrite surprises me...

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And now here's the final three scenes in DC's script's March 25th rewrite (two of which have no quotes taken from them):

68A    Roger exits.
         She  turns  to  them.    X  back  to  Maggie
                                  CAROLYN
                   He'll feel differently in the
                   morning, Maggie.

       Maggie turns away.  Jeff looks at Carolyn.

                   Leave it to him.

       Carolyn nods.  Exits.

68B    Jeff crosses to her.  She does not turn to him.

                                  MAGGIE
                   It's an impossible situation.

                                  JEFF
                   Don't go, Maggie.

       She crosses away.




68C.   (CONT'D)

                                 go

                                                            |
                                 v
                                MAGGIE
                       I have to, Jeff.  I'm not
                       doing any good here.

       He follows her.

                                JEFF
               Maggie  I want you to stay. I  need  you  here

       He turns her to him.  They look at each other.

                                JEFF
                       I wouldn't like it in Collinsport
                       without you.  Sooner or later I've
                       got to start selling my paintings. 
                       Then you can worry fulltime about me.
   

And that's when March 4th's quote -

Page 23/Scene 68C - Maggie: 'Oh, Jeff! I just can't stay here any longer.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

                                     JEFF
                           Well, at least I've got two weeks to
                           change your mind.

       He kisses her.      Well, what if I ever gave two weeks!
                           notice when I couldn't finish a even  I had trouble
                           painting.  I'll change your mind.


End of the main part of the scene as typed and also added to. But after the bit of typed dialogue added just above but also crossed out, there's quite a bit of handwritten dialogue. Most of it I can decipher - but parts are questionable. So once again I'm scanning a notation to present for our resident handwriting deciphering expert to see if he can make out what it all says:


(The part that I can decipher seems to say:

"Look what if I always gave notice
every time I had a little trouble with
a painting.
You know actually I'm pretty good
you know - I might even sell one
some day then you can take care
of me."

But I really have no idea what the written part that's crossed out says...)

But, of course, we'll never know if things actually played out as changed because those three scenes are among the many that ended up on the cutting room floor and whose footage was subsequently destroyed...

And actually, I wonder if they were only supposed to be two scenes (68A and 68B) and someone mistakenly turned the second page of Scene 68B into Scene 68C? (How could 68C be continued when there was no previous part to it?) But I suppose we'll never really know...

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I can make out of it. I believe it says Yes, sooner or later they're gonna start selling. Which seems to match up with a part of Jeff's dialogue that is printed but crossed out later on.
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Yes! You're a marvel at deciphering people's handwriting.  [snow_wink]  [snow_cheesy]  Thanks!  [snow_smiley]

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You're welcome, MB. It's something that I picked up during my years at OTB, where I had to decipher some extremely odd penmanship.
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And now here's the Nancy Hodiak sequence as it appears in both the original draft and DC's script (and recall that in the original draft Maggie has tried to discuss David but she was rebuffed by Roger - and none of the discussion about Maggie leaving has taken place yet):

69     EXT: JEFF'S STUDIO - NIGHT                         69
       LONG SHOT

       It is the following evening.  It is raining.  From the
       bluff above we see Jeff's studio.  A road runs along
       the bluff.  A STATION WAGON ENTERS THE SHOT.  Its
       headlights are on.  It drives until it is parallel
       to the lighted studio.  It stops at a winding path
       that leads down the rugged descent to the house itself.
       CAMERA PANS TO CLOSE UP of the driver of the car.
       NANCY HODIAK is a pretty matron.  She looks from the
       car window down at the house.

70     INT: JEFF'S STUDIO                                 70

       TIGHT SHOT of an oil portrait of Nancy Hodiak.  The
       CAMERA TRUCKS AROUND the portrait and WIDENS TO INCLUDE
       Jeff adjusting a new wire on the back of the frame.
       Maggie watches him.

                             MAGGIE
                 We'll never discuss David.  I know
                 it.  And it's not David we need
                 to talk about -- it's their attitude.
                 I'm not doing any good in that house.
                 That's why --

       She stops.  Jeff quits working, looks at her.

                             JEFF
                 That's why what?

                             MAGGIE
                 I'm going to give my notice tonight.

       He starts to come to her.

                             MAGGIE
                 Go back to Boston --

       Jeff takes her in his arms.

                             JEFF
                 I won't let you do that.

       She looks up at him.  They kiss.  There is a knock at
       the door.

                             JEFF
                 Damn!  It's Nancy Hodiak.  I'll
                 talk you out of it later.

       Maggie smiles, shakes her head.  He won't be able to.
       He opens the door.




71                           JEFF                         71
                 Come in, Nancy.  It's all ready.

                             MRS. HODIAK
                 Hello, Jeff, Maggie.

       She goes to the portrait, admiring it.


And that's when March 5th's quote -

Page 23B/Scene 71 - Mrs. Hodiak: 'Oh, look at at. I love it, Jeff. It takes some ego to give your own portrait to your husband for his birthday. But that's the way I am. You better wrap it. I don't want it to get wet.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       Jeff smiles.  Starts to wrap it.

72     EXT: JEFF'S STUDIO - NIGHT                         72
       LONG SHOT

       LONG LENS from the bluff, as if someone were standing
       there, looking down at the studio.

       The door to the cottage opens.  Light spills out as
       Mrs. Hodiak, carrying the wrapped portrait, and Jeff
       can be seen in the door.  There is a flash of light-
       ning, a CRACK OF THUNDER.  We see Jeff close the door.

       SLOW ZOOM down to Mrs. Hodiak, as she starts up the
       path to her car.  Lightning flashes.

       The CAMERA HOLDS HER TIGHT, as she climbs.  There is
       the NOISE OF BUSHES BEING PUSHED APART, TWIGS STEPPED
       ON.  She hears this, stops, frowns, looks around.
       The CAMERA PANS the dense undergrowth.

       Mrs. Hodiak starts to walk faster.  The NOISE SEEMS
       TO FOLLOW HER.  She looks over her shoulder.  She is
       positive that there is someone -- or something -- in
       the undergrowth.  She runs up the twisting path.
       She drops the picture.

73     PORTRAIT - CLOSE UP                                73

       as booted foot steps on it ripping through it.

74     NANCY HODIAK - CLOSE UP                            74

       LONG LENS HOLDS HER TIGHT as she runs toward camera.
       WHIP PULL BACK to WIDE ANGLE showing that CAMERA IS
       SHOOTING THROUGH car window which FRAMES her as she
       runs for the car and into a TIGHT SHOT as she yanks




74     CONTD                                        CONTD 74

       open the door and jumps in.  lightning and THUNDER
       CRASH as she frantically locks her side of the car.
       As she reaches across to lock the other door, it
       violently swings open, as the CAMERA ZOOMS IN on her
       terrified, horrified face.  She SCREAMS.

75     EXT: BLUFF - NIGHT                                 75
       HIGH ANGLE

       Police cars are parked around Mrs. Hodiak's station
       wagon.  An ambulance is parked farther away.  A
       covered stretcher is being picked off the ground by
       two white uniformed ATTENDANTS.  They start for the
       ambulance.  Mrs. Hodiak's car doors are open.  The
       rain is pouring down.  As Mrs. Hodiak's body is placed
       in the ambulance

                                               CUT TO:

76     PORTRAIT - CLOSE UP                                76

       It is ripped and muddied.  During the following,
       CAMERA TRUCKS BACK to show Jeff holding the portrait.
       Maggie is with him.  They are holding umbrellas and
       talking to a POLICEMAN.


And that's when March 6th's first quote -

Page 23C/Scene 76 - Jeff (OS): 'We didn't hear anything. I came out to take Maggie back to Collinwood ... We saw her car still here ... How did it happen?'

- comes up, followed by March 6th's second quote -

Page 23C/Scene 76 - Policeman: 'She was strangled. But the crazy thing is, it looks like some kind of an animal bit her first.'

- coming up.

Sadly, the sequence was dropped - though as we discussed earlier, some of the camera shots and set ups were used for Daphne's attack (as well as being recycled for the '91 series' Daphne's attack).

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It's interesting that the version of the Nancy Hodiak sequence that I've shared has so little dialogue once she actually shows up. However, what's more interesting is that the novelization versions has loads more dialogue. Could this mean that the version of the script the novelization used contained one of the infamous intermediate rewrites that we've already come across several times? Or did Dan "Marilyn" Ross embellish the scenes himself? The fact that DC's script doesn't have a rewrite of the sequence may mean nothing because, considering he wasn't planning on shooting it, DC may have simply wanted a copy that contained the camera shots and set ups that he wanted to use for Daphne's attack. But whatever the case, I thought I'd share how things play in the novel just in case it's based on some intermediate rewrite:

We begin with the novel's version of Scene 70, just to show how close it is to the script:

  Inside the house Jeff was busy framing a recently com-
pleted portrait of Nancy Hodiak. Everything was done
except for attaching a new wire to the back of the frame.
Maggie was there watching him work and in a worried
state of mind.
  She said, "We'll never discuss David. I know it. And
it's not David we need to talk about. It's their attitude.
I'm not doing any good in that house. That's why --"
She hesitated, leaving her sentence unfinished.
  Jeff finished working and gave her all his attention.
"That's why what?"
  She gave him a sober look. "I'm going to give my
notice tonight." Jeff moved nearer to her. "I'm going back
to Boston."
  He took her in his arms. "I won't let you do that."
  She looked up at him. They kissed. She was still in his
arms when there was a knock on the door.
  Jeff released Maggie reluctantly. "Damn! It's Nancy
Hodiak. I'll talk you out of it later."
  Maggie smiled wanly and shook her head. "Don't
count on it."


So, the only bit of dialogue in that that doesn't appear in the script is Maggie's "Don't count on it" - but that paragraph in the novel is in keeping with the script saying "Maggie smiles, shakes her head.  He won't be able to." And as we've seen in past rewrites, it's not at all unusual to add lines. However, when it comes to Scene 71's version in the novel, there's quite a bit of new material added:

  Jeff opened the door. "Come in, Nancy. I wonder you
took a chance coming down that steep embankment on
a night like this."
  She smiled. "I had to. I couldn't wait to see the por-
trait. Anyway, I was careful and picked my steps."
  Jeff smiled. "I suppose I shouldn't have built down
here, but it's such a perfect spot otherwise. You know
Maggie?"
  "Of course," Nancy Hodiak said brightly. "Hello
Maggie. Awful weather, isn't it?"
  "It surely is," she agreed. She'd met the wealthy young
matron a few times and had found her pleasant.
  Jeff said, "The portrait is complete, even to a frame and
a wire to hang it with."
  "Wonderful!" Nancy exclaimed happily. Let me see
it."
  Jeff went over and held it up for her. "I hope you like
it."
  "Oh, look at it!" Nancy said with delight. She turned
to Maggie. "Isn't it well done?"
  "I think it's one of the best things Jeff has turned out,"
she agreed.
  Nancy told him, "I love it, Jeff. It takes some ego to
give your own portrait to your husband for his birthday.
But that's the way I am. You better wrap it. I don't want
it to get wet."
  "It won't take a minute," Jeff promised.
  Nancy turned to Maggie again. "My husband doesn't
like me driving alone on these dark stormy nights. But I
had to pick this up. I want to surprise him."
  "Your husband is bound to like it," Maggie assured
her.
  "I hope so," Nancy said, looking around the room
and taking everything in. "I like this place. It's so, well,
so artistic!"
  "Jeff has made it comfortable."
  "More than that," the young matron said. "It has the
feeling of being a creative place."
  "He has good taste," Maggie agreed.
  Jeff came back to them with the wrapped portrait.
"I've wrapped it doubly to be sure the rain doesn't get
at it."
  "Wonderful!" Nancy said.
  "I'll see you up to the road," Jeff suggested.
  "No," Nancy protested. "That's not necessary."
  "I don't mind."
  She moved to the door with the portrait in her hands.
"I won't allow it. Enjoy your company." She gave Maggie
a special smile. "I managed getting down and going up
is much easier. After all, it's not Mount Everest!"
  Jeff smiled. "I'm so used to it I don't think anything
about it."
  "I'll manage nicely," the young matron said. "Good-
night, Maggie. Nice to see you again."
  Maggie said goodnight to her and Jeff saw her to the
door. When he came back in he told Maggie, "You won't
believe this but I heard another roll of thunder just now.
When these storms begin they never come to an end!"


Scenes 72 through 75 are pretty much like the script - but once we get to the novel's version of Scene 76 things soon deviate again:

  A short distance away on the fringe of the macabre
scene, Jeff and Maggie, holding umbrellas against the
heavy rain, were talking to a police officer in raincoat.
Jeff was holding the ruined portrait and studying it
with obvious distress.
  "This is unbelievable," Jeff declared.
  The officer's bony face was sober.  "You didn't hear
anything that could have been a scream?"
  "No," Jeff said,staring at the damaged painting in a
dazed way and then finally lowering it.
  "Jeff offered to escort her back to her car but she
refused," Maggie volunteered.
  "That's true," Jeff recalled. "I almost insisted on it,
but she didn't seem to want me to go with her."
  The officer frowned. "You're sure she was alone" She
had no one in the car with her?"
  Jeff and Maggie exchanged glances. "I don't think so,"
he told the officer, "though I really don't know. Why did
you ask?"
  The officer's eyes were cold. "She might have had some-
body in the car with her that she didn't want you to discover.
And it could have been that somebody who did this."
  "I hadn't thought of that," Jeff admitted. "But I doubt
if that was her reason. I think she just didn't want me
going out in the rain on what she considered a needless
errand."
  "It didn't turn out that way," the officer said grimly.
  Jeff shifted his umbrella to the other hand. "No, it
didn't," he said quietly. "She was my friend as well as
my client. I'm badly upset by her murder."
  "We wouldn't have known about it yet if Jeff hadn't
come out to get his car to take me home," Maggie said
earnestly.
  Jeff nodded. "It was then I saw her car still here and
knew something was wrong. So I called you people."
  "It's a bad business," the officer said. "We'll want to
talk to you later and get detailed statements."
  "We'll do anything we can," Jeff said soberly.
  "What about her husband," Maggie asked. "He'll have
to be told. She was giving him the portrait for a
birthday present."
  The officer looked bleak. "We've already sent a message
out to him but he can't be reached. He's out of the area
tonight. We'll have to locate him."
  Jeff said, "How did it happen? I mean, how was she
murdered?"
  "She was strangled," the officer said in his dry voice.
  "How awful!" Maggie gasped.
  The officer gave her a sharp glance. "But the crazy
thing is, it looks like some kind of an animal bit her
first."


And there you have it...

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Marie enacted the Nancy Hodiak scene at the 2014 festival. Sort of. There's a short clip of it on YouTube which is Marie doing the chase scene, to the very much monotone narration by Jim Pierson. She lets out a huge shriek at the end but the clip has none of the dialogue with Nancy, Jeff and Maggie.
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What about the scripted dialogue from Scene 71? Was that included in 2014? Or did they merely enact Scenes 72 through 74? If the latter was the case, quite unfortunately, that wouldn't tell us anything regarding a possible intermediate rewrite...

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It's not in the clip and, unfortunately, I wasn't in the ballroom when they did this. I watched the clip again and it seems that Pierson is reading from the KLS movie book.
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One thing that *might* lend credence to the extra novel dialogue for Scenes 71 and 76 actually coming from some version of the script is that once we reach Scene 80 there's also more dialogue in the novel than appears in both the original draft and DC's script and the really interesting thing there is that a line that appears on the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar for Scene 80 doesn't appear in any other source that I have of the film. And as I've said, the Fest explains that all the dialogue that appears on the calendar was taken directly from copies of the hoDS and NoDS scripts...

But we'll get deeper into that after the current slideshow reaches its last quote from Scene 80 as it appears in DC's script - and that will be on the 17th... 

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I watched the clip again and it seems that Pierson is reading from the KLS movie book.

That book contains the versions of Scenes 69 through 76 that I shared in post #170.

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I found it kind of amusing that the presentation seemed to be more about JP than Marie.
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Before we actually catch up to the current scene in the slideshow, we have to deal with a few other scenes:

77     EXT:  COLLINSPORT INN - NIGHT                      77

       CLOSE UP of the police car's flashing red light.
       PULL BACK to see car stopping in front of Collinsport
       Inn.  A policeman SETH gets out of the car.


It's obvious from the way things are typed that what's upcoming for Scene 78 and the first section of Scene 79 is another rewrite, but this one isn't dated.



78.    INT. LOBBY - INN - NIGHT

       TODD is putting coins in the cigarette machine.  Seth
       brushes past him, entering.

                                  TODD
                     Hi, Seth.

       Seth nods, walks to the registration desk.  CAMERA TRUCKS
       him to TOW SHOT.  The manager, BUD, is behind it.

                                  SETH
                     Evenin', Bud.  The chief wants a
                     list of your guests the last two
                     nights.  Another woman's been
                     attacked out on Beach Road.

       Todd, passing the desk, frowns.

                    (             SETH            )
               Yeah (Same kind of attack as Daphne)
                    (Budd's yesterday.            )
                                         |
                                  TODD   |
                     Another one?        |
                                         |
                                  SETH   v
                          (turning to Todd)
                     Yeah, only this one's dead.


79.    INT. COLLINSPORT INN-DINING ROOM - NIGHT
                              Todd's
       CAMERA is TIGHT on Carolyn Stoddard's face.

                                  CAROLYN (VO)
                     She was strangled?

       CAMERA PULLS BACK.  Todd sits beside her.  They are on
       a banquette against the wall.

                                  TODD
                     Yes, but the weird thing is that she was
                     also bitten like Daphne.  Finish your
                     drink.  I'll take you home.

       She shakes her head, very upset.  She doesn't want anymore.


And we'll leave things there for now.

And what's different when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions and directions is that Scene 77 doesn't appear in the film because it was never shot - in Scene 78 Todd actually says "Hey, Seth. How are ya?" while he's bending down to retrieve his cigarettes and -


- the manager is hanging up the phone - and Seth actually says "Good evening, Joe" (perhaps the real name of the manager who might be playing himself) - and Todd actually asks -


"What happened?"

- and as indicated in the script, two bits of Seth's dialogue are combined as he turns to Todd actually saying "Same kind of attack as Daphne Budd's yesterday. Only this one's dead" - and in Scene 79 Todd actually says "Yeah" rather than "Yes" after Carolyn delivers "She was strangled?" off screen as added to the script, and he taps the table -


- as he does so - and then Todd actually says "But the weird thing is she was bitten", then he pauses and adds "just like Daphne" - and then he taps Carolyn's hand and actually says -


"Come on, let's get out of here"

- rather than the scripted "Finish your drink. I'll take you home", so we don't actually see Carolyn shake her head no - and then Todd pulls the table aside so that -


- Carolyn can get up easily.

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I found it kind of amusing that the presentation seemed to be more about JP than Marie.

Who would ever think such a thing possible...  [b003]